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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Oct 30, 2012 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Re Sandy, thus far: I have to say, I can't believe what just happened. I watched some live shots last night from Bergen County, NJ and Teaneck, NJ. I'm from the next town over. They got hit real hard in NJ.

At a Press Conference just now, Mayor Bloomberg said: "NYC's Public Transportation remains shut down until further notice."

As of this morning, the total size of this superstorm exceeds one million square miles. Over six million people are without power. Not to mention, there are huge snowstorms across Appalachia.

Hurricanes are not caused by man-made global warming. But in my mind, man-made global warming conditions have intensified this storm, and other storms.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Oct 31, 2012 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Re: "in my mind, man-made global warming conditions have intensified this storm, and other storms"

Here in Colorado this year, we had numerous firestorms well before the normal fire season. It was unprecedented. We have been experiencing unusual heat waves and long term drought conditions out here. It's very bad. This year's heat and drought was ridiculous. This NASA animation clip shows a scientific visualization of Global Temperature Anomalies from 1880 to 2010. Global warming is an undeniable fact. Colorado was clobbered this year, including here in Fort Collins.

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Grey Rock was hammered by fire twice this year
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Grey Rock is the most popular hiking spot in the mountains nearby Fort Collins.

http://archive.org/post/437271/posting-pics -- I took this photo when hiking up Grey Rock six weeks ago
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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 1, 2012 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

If you make your sample set small enough you can prove anything.

While global warming/climate change certainly appears to be undeniable fact, the cause is just as undeniably unproven. Anthropogenic or intracyclic? Who knows? Pure, objective data doesn't exist anymore and "peer reviewed" really means "special interest sponsored".

I don't disbelieve global warming/climate change is occurring. I don't believe the anthropogenic contribution is as large as one side would have you believe, nor as insignificant as the other side would want you to believe.

Regardless, I don't think there is much we can do about it as it appears something has triggered what may be potential severe adverse forcing feedback functions.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 1, 2012 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Colorado is getting hugely impacted by all this.The future of our water, clean air, and soils is in great danger. People like me, and 97 percent of the world's scientists, believe that global warming is made worse by man-made greenhouse gases due to burning fossil fuels.

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We should also be reducing our methane emissions, which is 8 or 9 times more of "greenhouse gas" than CO2 is. Natural Gas is methane. What is Colorado doing? Drill, Baby, Drill! The next county over from here, Weld County, has 19,000 oil and gas wells. They are getting ready to frack and drill in Larimer County (here) and Fort Collins right now. They are fracking us to death!

fractivist%2B%252B%2Bfractivist.com%2B%252B%2Bweld%2Bcounty%2B%252B%2Bcolorado%2Bfracking.jpgFirestone, CO is the area shown in this map. Here are the 19,000 active oil and gas wells in Weld County, CO. Each red dot represents up to 52 active wells. This individual has 75 active wells within a one mile radius of his home in Firestone!

How much fugitive methane emissions are they reporting? None is being reported. How much TRI (Toxic Release Inventory) releases are being reported? None. This is a pure fairy tale! And we have the Haliburton loop-hole allowing them to use unreported toxic chemicals and leave unknown amounts of them underground, without getting a deep-well injection permit. Drought-stricken farmers are being pressured by the oil and gas companies to sell them their water rights. Some towns are selling their water to oil and gas outfits. Typically, millions of gallons of water get used for EACH well. Natural gas is a bridge fuel to an environmental catastrophe.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 1, 2012 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: So?

Here's the problem with your charts Monte. Mean CO2 levels without correlation to temperature is at best a straw man and at worst deliberately misleading. And while 97% of all the scientists in the GW/AGW/CC pissing contest may agree that GW is made worse by greenhouse gases, I haven't seen definitive, independent studies that quantitatively define "worse".

Here are a few charts of HadCRUT3 vs HadCRUT4 temp changes that don't appear to have any causal relationship with CO2 levels. Note that they span 140 years and not 5. Unless you are saying that all of the CO2 emissions from the Industrial Revolution didn't show up until the '60s. .75 degrees in 140 years??????

http://www.peakprosperity.com/sites/default/files/resize/remote/539e9598f24ab57815553e8d565cab79-600x419.jpg

This one is particularly telling because it clearly shows that temp increases for the next 10-20 years are based on modeling projections. Except for the third scenario which is flat.

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/T_moreFigs/PNAS_GTCh_Fig2.gif





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And you are aware that NG companies have been using fracking for extraction for almost 60 years? I can appreciate the fervor with which you are throwing down, but I also think you are cherry picking data and hot button topics that are only being reported skin deep and driven by agendas rather than facts.

Don't get me wrong. I think climate change is a very real issue. You think it's a problem that must be addressed right now. I think it's a predicament that is going to run its course whether we do anything or not.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 1, 2012 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So?

I am not a scientist, and I don't pretend to be one, and I don't play one on these forums. I do know atmospheric CO2 levels are at 392 ppm and they keep rising due to man-made burning of fossil fuels. The charts I posted show this data. I am understanding that our temperature and CO2 increases correlate, and they are tracking upward together. Are you saying climate scientists have this wrong?

I believe in what James Hansen is saying. I believe in what Bill McKibben is saying.

As far as environmental investigative reporting is concerned, Mark Hertsgaard has worked for more than 20 years on climate change. He is the environmental correspondent for The Nation magazine. A recent book of his is "Hot: Living Through the Next Fifty Years on Earth". I urge you and others to watch / listen / read this 17-minute interview on Democracy Now with Mark Hertsgaard from April 15, 2011.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 1, 2012 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So?

Re: fracking for extraction for almost 60 years

This evening I went to the Planning & Zoning Board meeting here to make public comment with others about all this gas and oil drilling and hydraulic fracturing (a.k.a. "fracking") coming to Fort Collins all of a sudden. There was an "industry expert" guy there who spoke and said the same thing as you about "fracking safety for sixty years".

Neither one of you mentioned that only recently, during the past five years or so, is when all this horizontal drilling technology starting being used in the field. Because of this "new" technology, and "the Haliburton loop-hole", the NG and oil guys are fracking "everything, everywhere." And I showed you the map with 19,000 active wells clustered in my face. Thousands and thousands of them are New wells.

Chemicals such as toxic benzene, toluene, and xylene are being used by drillers in their fracking fluids. Some people who live nearby NG (and oil) fracking wells are getting sick. Some kids are having asthma problems. Some adults are getting bloody noses, etc. These cases happened only after NG (and oil) fracking wells began operating nearby them. I think people should object to this.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 1, 2012 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So?

I have friend in the NG industry - benzenes and toluenes have been used since the late '40s, early '50s.

I don't have any experience with NG extraction and fracking. My gut tells me there are some potentially serious shortcomings with fracking - especially if done improperly - but in the final analysis, it's nowhere near as safe as industry experts proclaim it to be, nor is it as dangerous as opponents claim it is.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 2, 2012 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So, what's the real reason Josh Fox was arrested?

Re: "nowhere near as safe as industry experts proclaim it to be, nor is it as dangerous as opponents claim it is"

People back east are getting fracked bigtime by NG drillers right now. This is a huge deal. I recommend reading this journalism report from ProPublica, by Abrahm Lustgarten, on May 1, 2012
A new study has raised fresh concerns about the safety of gas drilling in the Marcellus Shale, concluding that fracking chemicals injected into the ground could migrate toward drinking water supplies far more quickly than experts have previously predicted.

More than 5,000 wells were drilled in the Marcellus between mid-2009 and mid-2010, according to the study, which was published in the journal Ground Water two weeks ago. Operators inject up to 4 million gallons of fluid, under more than 10,000 pounds of pressure, to drill and frack each well.

Scientists have theorized that impermeable layers of rock would keep the fluid, which contains benzene and other dangerous chemicals, safely locked nearly a mile below water supplies. This view of the earth's underground geology is a cornerstone of the industry's argument that fracking poses minimal threats to the environment.

But the study, using computer modeling, concluded that natural faults and fractures in the Marcellus, exacerbated by the effects of fracking itself, could allow chemicals to reach the surface in as little as "just a few years."

"Simply put, [the rock layers] are not impermeable," said the study's author, Tom Myers, an independent hydrogeologist whose clients include the federal government and environmental groups.

"The Marcellus shale is being fracked into a very high permeability," he said. "Fluids could move from most any injection process."
There was a "book report" about ProPublica's investigation. This was posted to WordPress written by Iris Marie Bloom for Protecting Our Waters, a Philadelphia-based grassroots nonprofit organization.
Dr. Anthony Ingraffea has already established, based on PA DEP data, that Marcellus Shale well casings have failed at a rate of 6.2% in Pennsylvania in 2010 and 2011, causing immediate fluid migration (lecture by Ingraffea at “Marcellus Exposed” symposium, March 17th, 2012). But this new study shows that even without casing failures, fluid migration into aquifers will occur, and faster than almost anyone thought.
People back east should understand this means eventually these toxic cocktails are going to be coming out of their water faucets in their homes. The question is, will it be sooner, or later?

— Why was journalist Josh Fox arrested on Feb 1, 2012 in our U.S. Congress? —
Josh Fox was arrested for filming the Congressional Hearing on Natural Gas Fracking!

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Josh Fox is the filmmaker for the documentary "Gasland"

The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Josh Fox was handcuffed and arrested as he attempted to film a congressional hearing on the controversial natural gas drilling technique known as fracking, which the Environmental Protection Agency recently reported caused water contamination in Pavillion, Wyoming. Fox directed the award-winning film, "Gasland," which documents the impact of fracking on communities across the United States, and is now working on a sequel. Fox says he was arrested after Republicans refused to allow him to film because he did not have the proper credentials. "We wanted to report on what happened [at the hearing]. I was not interested in disrupting that hearing. It was not a protest action," says Fox. "I was simply trying to do my job as a journalist and go in there and show to the American people what was transpiring in that hearing, so that down the line, as we know there will be a lot of challenges mounted to that [Pavillion, Wyoming] EPA report—and frankly, to the people in Pavillion, who have been sticking up for themselves and demanding an investigation into the groundwater contamination—and to make sure that people could view that in a larger forum than usually happens." watch / listen / read an interview about this on Democracy Now

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Nov 2, 2012 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So?

Re: last evening, I went to the Planning & Zoning Board meeting here to make public comment with others about all this gas and oil drilling and hydraulic fracturing (a.k.a. "fracking") coming to Fort Collins all of a sudden.

listen to my village-idiot public comment - my comment is 2:49, mp3 audio

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Last year on Nov 1, 2011, I was speaking at a Fort Collins City Council meeting with Occupy Fort Collins activists. We were asking city leaders to add more wintertime shelter for the homeless who are living here. here is that pic of me publicly speaking.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 1, 2012 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

They say things are done for the majority
don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear
It's like what my painter friend Donald said to me
"Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over, they're done"

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 1, 2012 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Hot Damn!

I know, I know, you were there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7H9l5BNyfI

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 30, 2012 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

+1 Monte.

In my little corner of Queens, NY, not much damage... but only 5 miles away, 50 or more homes burned while firefighters struggled to gain access in chest deep water and whipping winds. This storm will have untold economic impact, as the cleanup and restoration will take weeks. This is the only time in memory that all access, tunnels, bridges, airports, and transit have been completely shut down.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2012 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Good to hear, UJ; thx for letting us know.

Though one cannot ascribe a precise proportional slice of blame for humankind, neither can we ignore the mounting evidence of increasing frequency of ever more dramatic storms in recent history. Just ask SDH how many of the hottest days on record have been in the past 30 yrs hereabouts.

Be safe...

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Poster: billydlions Date: Oct 30, 2012 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Breaking all those records from the 1930's? I suppose we must be partially responsible, but why was the heat back then normal but today it must be from SUVs? If it is 50-100% from humans I doubt there's much we can do about it anyway, so why argue...We had one of our cooler summers in FL this year, but I wouldn't mind a little (or a lot) of global cooling.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 30, 2012 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Actually, ours go back 120 yrs, and statistically, there's no denying the HUGE increase; with indirect measures via tree rings and such, you can even infer shifts over the past 4000 yrs, but why rub it in?

;)

Good to see ya, BD2!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 1, 2012 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grendel's Annual TDIH reminder

Ok, so I listened to this show ... great show, except that I was jolted out of my chair during Not Fade Away by a truly hellish Donna screech. I mean this is one of the awfulest. at about 4:20, for those of you masochistic enough to check it out.